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How Cinder compares

What each app's servers can see or keep, side by side. Last checked: 11 October 2026.

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Messaging apps compared (scroll sideways on a phone)
AppE2EE on by defaultWhat the server can holdPhone number or accountCloud backupsReporting accessOpen sourceDisappearing messagesScreenshot blocking
Cinder (today)Not applicable: single-device demo, nothing is sentNothing. There are no Cinder serversNo account, no phone numberNone. No export or backup at allNone (no server)Not yet publishedYes (Once, 10s, 1m timers)Yes, inside the app (Android)
Cinder (planned)Yes plannedSealed blobs only, deleted on delivery plannedNo account plannedNone. A lost phone means lost messagesPlanned: user chooses to forward a message they receivedPlannedYesYes, inside the app
WhatsAppYes[9]Usage, device and connection data incl. IP[10]Phone numberOptional E2EE backup; off by default[9]Reporting sends up to the last 5 messages to WhatsApp[11]NoOptionalNot covered here
SignalYes[6]Account creation date and last connection date[6]Phone number to registerOptional E2EE Secure Backups[7]Not covered hereYesOptionalOptional on Android (Screen Security)[8]
Telegram (cloud chats, the default)No[3]Messages and media stored on Telegram servers[3]; may disclose IP and phone number on valid orders[5]Phone numberChats live in Telegram's cloud[3]Not covered hereApps yes, server noOptionalNo
Telegram (secret chats)Yes, but must be started manually, 1:1[3][4]Not stored on servers[3]Phone numberNot synced; this device only[4]Not covered hereApps yes, server noYes (self-destruct timers)[4]Not covered here
iMessageYes[1]Messages in iCloud is E2EE only if iCloud Backup is off[2]Apple AccountiCloud Backup not E2EE in the UK: ADP withdrawn for new UK users[1]Not covered hereNoNo (unsend/edit only)No
Facebook MessengerYes for personal chats (rolled out from Dec 2023)[12]Encrypted chat history in 'secure storage' on Meta servers, PIN-protected[13]Facebook/Meta accountSecure storage (E2EE)[13]You can report messages to Meta[12]NoYes[12]No
SnapchatE2EE for text chats not stated in Snap's privacy pages[14]Snaps and Chats deleted by default after viewing/expiry[15]Snapchat accountNot covered here; My Eyes Only is password-encrypted[14]Not covered hereNoYes, by default[15]Not covered here
SessionYes[16]Onion-routed; hides IP from nodes[16]No: random Account ID[16]Not covered hereNot covered hereYes[16]OptionalNot covered here
ThreemaYes[17]Not covered hereNo: random Threema ID; paid app[17]Optional encrypted Threema SafeNot covered hereYes (apps)[18]OptionalNot covered here

Pros and cons

Cinder

Pros

  • No accounts, no phone number, no servers today
  • Screenshots blocked in the app; no internet permission
  • Password-encrypted on the phone, with shred and Keep vault

Cons

  • Small, new app
  • Not yet independently audited
  • No backup: a lost phone means lost messages
  • No iPhone yet
  • Phone-to-phone messaging isn't live yet (single-device demo)

WhatsApp

Pros

  • E2EE by default for everyone
  • Huge user base
  • Optional E2EE backups

Cons

  • Phone number required
  • Collects usage and connection data incl. IP
  • Backups not E2EE unless you turn it on
  • Closed source

Signal

Pros

  • E2EE by default; keeps very little data (per its subpoena responses)
  • Open source
  • Screen Security on Android; optional E2EE backups

Cons

  • Phone number needed to register
  • Smaller user base than WhatsApp

Telegram

Pros

  • Fast multi-device cloud sync
  • Secret chats are E2EE and device-only

Cons

  • Normal chats aren't E2EE and are stored on Telegram's servers
  • Secret chats must be started manually and are 1:1 only
  • May share IP and phone number on valid legal orders

iMessage

Pros

  • E2EE by default, built into Apple devices

Cons

  • Apple devices only
  • In the UK, iCloud Backup can't be E2EE for new users (ADP withdrawn)
  • Closed source

Facebook Messenger

Pros

  • E2EE by default for personal chats
  • Disappearing messages

Cons

  • Requires a Meta account
  • Chat history held in Meta's secure storage
  • Closed source

Snapchat

Pros

  • Snaps and Chats delete by default

Cons

  • E2EE for text chats isn't stated in Snap's privacy pages
  • Account required
  • Closed source

Session

Pros

  • No phone number; onion routing hides IP
  • Open source

Cons

  • Smaller network; fewer features

Threema

Pros

  • No phone number or email needed
  • Open-source apps; Swiss company

Cons

  • Paid app
  • Smaller user base

Sources

  1. Apple Support (UK): Apple can no longer offer Advanced Data Protection in the UK to new users
  2. MacRumors: Apple's data encryption changes in the UK explained (Messages in iCloud and iCloud Backup key)
  3. Telegram Privacy Policy (cloud chats stored on servers; secret chats E2EE, not stored)
  4. Telegram FAQ (secret chats: device-specific, self-destruct, no forwarding)
  5. The Verge: Telegram will hand over phone number and IP on valid legal requests (Sept 2024)
  6. Signal: grand jury subpoena response (only account creation and last connection dates)
  7. Signal Support: Signal Secure Backups (optional, end-to-end encrypted)
  8. Signal Support: Screen Security (blocks screenshots on Android)
  9. WhatsApp Blog: End-to-end encrypted backups (optional)
  10. WhatsApp Privacy Policy (UK): usage, device and connection information, including IP
  11. WhatsApp Help: About reporting and blocking (last five messages sent to WhatsApp)
  12. Meta: Launching default end-to-end encryption on Messenger (Dec 2023)
  13. Meta: End-to-end encryption on Messenger explained (secure storage, PIN)
  14. Snap: Privacy by Product
  15. Snapchat Support: When does Snapchat delete Snaps and Chats?
  16. Session: FAQ (Account IDs, no phone number, onion routing)
  17. Threema: What is a Threema ID? (no phone number or email needed)
  18. Threema: Open source

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